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i brought some fulvic acid on ebay ($50) that came today,  i was expecting a small baggy,  but was shocked to see a drum, with a big massive rock a 1 kilo rock. with a 100 gram humic acid baggy to for free,  cant beleave how cheep this is,  i mean,  for the cost,  why wouldnt you use this

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i recon its a good idear to,  id buy 1

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it looks female to me,  the nukle on the stem looks a bit odd to me,  but pretty sure its fem,  theres 2 ways i use, that work, one is looking at any flower,  or premature flower,  is a femaile flower is always atached directly to the stem,  where male flower parts sit on a elongated stalk that then sits on the stem,  male flowers of any real size never sit directly on the stem, or branch, unless there to small to see properly.or afre very early, dont look just for hairs also,  a lot of the time female premature flowers dont have them.

the other thing i do is,  if you look at the flower closley,  most of male flowers have subtle lines that sit up and down the flower,  which there some times hard to see,  so dont take them as a 100% sure, but in my experiencee they are a good sighn, the lines are petals before they open up, this takes a bit of expearence but most times i can see them

if you are a noob,  so far your doing real good man, i would be happy if my plants look as good as yours

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what would you run if synthetic nutes, adatives

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may i ask what nute program you use

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i read some Amino acids are smallest chelated out there

arginine
5.5%
Induces flowering and root development
Aspartic Acid
7.6%
Germination enhancer
Glutamic Acid and Alanine
21%
Chlorophyll production
Serine
5%
Stomata regulation for plant water use
Glycine
19%
Chelate action for up taking other nutrients
Histidine
1.8%
Helps in drought resistance
Threonine
3%
Helps in water stress
Proline
8%
Helps in water stress and increasing pollens
Tyrosine
2%
Manages plant fluids and pollination
Valine
4%
Seed protection and seedling boost
Methionine
2%
Helps in steady ripening
Isoleucine
3%
Salt stress resistance and detoxification
Phenylalanine
3%
Lignin production for stronger cell walls
Lysine
5.2%
Chlorophyll synthesis
Taurine
2%
Moisture absorption and high production

 

this looks like a hell of a product maybe the best iv found

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with these precrsors being so good i guess the next thing is how much and what to use  i have this product laying around

Green Planet Liquid Weight is a blend of simple and complex carbohydrates with triacontinol, yucca extracts, bio-available amino acids, ascorbic acid and low molecular weight humic acid. Beneficial carb sources support both your plant directly and act as a food source for the microbial life in the root zone. This leads to an increased absorption of essential nutrients and growth stimulants such as triacontanol. Fulvic acid helps chelate and elicit a hormone like response that increases the permeability of the root membranes allowing easier nutrient uptake. Liquid Weight has natural surfactants including yucca. Ascorbic Acid is responsible for many of the processes in plant growth and maturity, supports rapid cell growth, protects the plant from the harmful effects of UV light and dramatically increases the resin and essential oil content of the flowers. Liquid Weight is the premier flowering carbohydrate super supplement.
can anyone  please tell me, if this is the kinda what i want in  a veg hydro grow,  its a flowering product,  im already have triacontinol and microbes on hand as well, can i do better than the above product to chelate my nutes

 

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another paper that i found that i thought was a good read,  it goes on to saying how efective the latest chelating agent is,  but that is not main streem yet becouse of the higher price in making (EDDHA)

Ethylenediaminetetraacetate (EDTA) is the most common chelating agent found in synthetic fertilizers. Like other synthetic chelates, EDTA is an alien compound to the plant and is therefore not absorbed by the plant. When the chelated element (remember it’s encapsulated) is required, the plant will remove the element, for example iron, form the chelate and absorb the element. However, since the chelating agent is foreign to the plant, it will give up the chelating agent (EDTA) back into solution where it is free to chelate other positively charged elements. EDTA has four points of connection to the elements it chelates. Different chelates have varying numbers of points of connection. In some situations four points of connection may hold the element too tightly, where in other growing situations, it may not hold it tight enough.

For example, EDTA is better suited to slightly lower than neutral pH levels. Iron often becomes deficient at higher pH values such as those typically associated with rockwool or mineral soils.

Diethylenetriaminepentaacetate (DTPA) is a chelating agent better suited to high pH levels. As the chemical name suggests, it has five (penta, ie. Pentagram) points of connection to the element it chelates. DTPA is more costly than EDTA and is less soluble so it is found in smaller quantities than EDTA in most synthetic fertilizer formulations.

Several studies suggest that ethylenediaminedihydroxy-phenylaceticacid (EDDHA) is that superior synthetic chelating agent. Its relatively high cost prohibits it from being added to many synthetic fertilizer formulations. In a recent study conducted by the Research Station for Floriculture and Glasshouse Vegetables (Netherlands) it was demonstrated that plants perform better, even under adverse conditions when the primary source of iron is chelated by EDDHA. In the experiment, chrysanthemums were grown aeroponically, and a portion of the plants were inoculated (infected) with a root disease (pythium). Only four percent of the plants infected with pythium demonstrated chlorosis (yellowing of leaves associated with iron deficiency) when supplied with EDDHA. In comparison, 35% of the plants supplied with DTPA became chlorotic, and 18% of the plants supplied with HEDTA demonstrated chlorosis.

As a result, the dry weights of plants supplied with EDDHA were significantly higher in both infected and uninfected plants. An additional benefit found in tissue analysis showed that the plants supplied with EDDHA were able to absorb 2X the levels of zinc than the plants supplied with HEDTA and DTPA. This is significant to our purposes because zinc (and iron) is often locked out in the later part of flowering due to excessive phosphorous levels. Ever notice how yellow plants can get as harvest approaches

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thetic chelates — EDTA, DTPA and EDDHA — only stay bound to the micronutrient ions until the point at which they enter your plants’ cells. Once this occurs, the plant unbinds the chelator from the nutrient and releases it back into the hydroponic solution, where it becomes free to chelate another nutrient and escort it into the plant for absorption.

The same concept is true of natural chelators. Fulvic and humic acids are not absorbed into the plant — they are released upon escorting the micronutrient ions into the plant. However, amino acids are absorbed via plant tissues, which is why it’s important to have a range of chelators in your grow; if the plant gets too full of amino acids, it may not have room to absorb all the micronutrients it needs to thrive

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sorry about the late responce iv just been dragged to hell and back

this is great stuff for someone that dont no about this,  this is gold, i wont grow without them now i know just how great they are,  now you have pointed me in the right directon,  iv researched this good,  i love how its all made from nature, 2 questons i do have

1- will they also tranfer nutes to the leaves when folar feeding as well

2- i read the chelates encapsulate the nutes and then transfer the nutes up to the cell walls then seperate and then go back to the nute resevour only to chellates another nute,  how cool is this, is it realy true

thanks again man,  theres much data in the post above, iv learned more good shit from you, than years of reserch,  you realy are gold i cant thank you enough

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when i say a airy mix,  im talking 2 parts prerlite, to 1 part vermiculite,   i also run the course grade vermiculite and the course grade perlite making for even more pockes of air,  it s super airated, and has never failed,  well so far anyway,  if let it dry between waterings,  could rot still come and raise hell in a mix like that

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yes,  water nutes air,  water nutes air,  the rhythm goes on for ever,  i have always thought  the more airated the mix is the better,  how much air is in my mix  the primary thing i look for in a mix,  every other thing is second,  which i thought and maybe hoped, was the reasons that i never had rot before

do you think that, even  if  there was rot present, and  if plants were in a very airated sterile mix,  eg perlite vermiculite,  could most plants simply out grow it,  do you think

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your saying all nutes are more available in the presents in humic or fulvic acids,  meaning are they also a Chelate ajents as well,  or are they of simular in action, as in, they also piggy back the nutes along, making them also disolve better in water, which intern making them also more available to plants

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your probably right,  i guess what i realy want to know,  is,  can major nutes be Chelated as well,  iv seen micro and secondry nutes being chelated before,  but not major nutes

the other thought is,  i have heard this stuff being used as a acid,  with the question being,  if it is acid,  maybe is could be a great ph down,  as its probably be more beneficial for the plnt, than regular ph down

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trying to identify what caused it,  the first thing  i thought was, maybe the blocks  got scwished before i got them,  but they didnt seem to be,  and they come in strong boxes,  so im pretty sure they wasnt,  the next thing i thought was, i have read that they come with a high ph,  but i let them sit in water for 24 hours and flushed the crap out of them,  am not sure wether thats enough as iv never used them before, and the only other thing i could think of was, that it may have alredy been dirty seed, but it hapend to 3 different strains, so that rulles out that to yes,  i have never seen this before,  not at all,  in the past iv always used 50 50 mix of pelite vermiculite or hi grade poting mix,  i will clean the crap out of the  whole room, and spray the spot with bleach water soluton,  over 25 years never seen this, very frustrating thats for sure,  there is good news though the other 80% of the seed is doing great i have got a inoculant but forget to use it every other time

thanks for your reply, means a lot to me, it realy doese,  you have give me something to think about again,  clean clean clean and clean again it doese make logical sence, maybe it is the only other posability

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